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A couple of pretty interesting articles on Trek.
First:
The Geometry of Star Trek.
 www.robotjackalope.com/?p=205

Might be helpful for any starship designers out there... ;)

Second:
10 Ways Star Trek Just Isn’t Star Trek Anymore.
whatculture.com/film/10-ways-s…

Before anyone starts in with name calling, let me say that I've enjoyed all the reincarnations of Star Trek. It's just that there was "something" missing and when several of the shows basically broke down into the 'Starship firefight of the week' They lost my interest. That doesn't mean that there weren't some real gems. Star Trek is about Exploration, not warfare and combat.
With the new films 'Star Trek' and 'Into Darkness' I think the actors are doing a great job filling the parts. They do need better writers however.
I've enjoyed the new films, in the way that I enjoy the 'Star Wars' films, I don't have to concentrate to much...
Hope the next 'Star Trek' writer remembers the time when we were explorers, going, boldly 'where no man has gone before.'

LLAPVulcan :)
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NewDivide1701 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014
I saw the second article and so far he is batting 0/10.

What he is summing it up as is that the new Star Trek isn't dumb down for the purists, yet in a twist of irony calling it dumb down.

Something that I find insulting about his "expertise" is more about Spock on how he became so violently emotional which suggests he disregarded canonized Star Trek out of convenience.  Vulcans are highly emotional and more volatile than humans.  It's the teachings of Surak and the discipline of logic that saved the Vulcans from extinction.  But at the same time that Vulcans can still loose it if they suffer something extremely traumatic.  This ranges from one Vulcan becoming a serial killer when his ship was destroyed along with his crewmates from the DS9 episode Field Of Fire, to feeling the death of 6 billion Vulcans when their planet was destroyed.  And if feeling the death of 400 Vulcans because they were consumed by a giant amoeba at a distance was difficult...

One thing that separates Star Trek from other space operas is not just the exploration of space, but how they explore humanity from a unique point of view.  Though much of it relates to current world events, but others explores Shakespeare and seeing how it explores humanity.  Seeing the opposing points of view on the same thing, who is right if any?  What does this tell us about ourselves?  Why do we condemn Lokai's and Bele's hate for each other?  Why doesn't Kirk listen to Spock about the alternatives to why Cestus 3 was destroyed?  Kirk giving the 3rd degree over Ensign Garrovick because he made the same mistake Kirk did only to reveal the results would be the same no matter what he did.  Kirk's decision to kill John Harrison (Khan) without a trial.  Pike pretty much telling Kirk to get his head out of his ass and get real.

The POW POW POW.... yeah it's exciting, but how the heroes react to the situation is just as defining as quoting Shakespeare, Melville or Doyle.  It's like the Kobayashi Maru, in a situation where you are in a POW POW POW no-win scenario, it's a test of character.  Even when Kirk's options to even surrendering himself to Admiral Marcus to save his crew were exhausted, how he turned to his crew and said, "I'm sorry."  His arrogance and ego shattered, kinda like when they were finally shattered when Spock died saving the Enterprise.  How he always congratulated himself by cheating death, only to realize you can no longer cheat.

The touch of hypocrisy wasn't nice either.  How red matter and transwarp transporters are too far beyond the realms of possibility, yet you have inverse tachyons to seal temporal rifts, anti-time phenomenons, duonetic fields that do some sort of damn thing, tetrion particles from a tertiary subspace domain where aliens abduct the Enterprise crew members live, and of course the fictional substance dilithium that controls the matter/antimatter reaction in the warp core.

And the most important pseudoscience of them all, the deflector dish.  Before it was designed to fire a beam that can scatter particles away and fire antiprotons for heavier objects like asteroids and meteors.  Then they needed to modify the deflector to fire an intense beam at the Borg in hopes of destroying them which is easy to believe.  But now you can turn it into a temporal lightning rod or an anti-tachyon beam to seal temporal vortexes at the push of a button.

Like I said, JJ's vision isn't a dumb down Star Trek, his version wasn't dumb down for purists to understand.

Another thing I find insulting is how they totally screwed up Star Trek, give reasons why, and they only show that they are idiots.  One guy claimed that Kirk never said, "I'm sorry."  Yet for that to be true, you need to eliminate "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "The Naked Time", "Obsession", "The Immunity Syndrome", "A Private Little War", and of course "Star Trek: The Motion Picture".

Star Trek in reality quit being Star Trek when it was driven by the fans and not the dream.  Star Trek shouldn't be solely about the Federation, the Prime Directive or the Borg and each episode or movie is driven by politics.  But rather fueled by the dream of reaching the stars, seeing ourselves from a unique point of view, and overcoming the obstacles that keep us NOT from the destination, but the journey that never ends.

Basically they fooled themselves in thinking that Rick Berman's and Brandon Bragga's Star Trek is Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek.  But it's their Star Trek that they disguised as Gene's.  JJ just cleaned up the mess.
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dragonpyper Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014
Then we'll just have to disagree. I think he's right on target...
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AceLions Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I like all the seris & movies as well. My fav thing about the new movies is that they did the whole Alternet timeline/univerce thing the Seris was known to use from time to time. so that they could do what they wanted have it be canon but not mess up what the seris did
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dragonpyper Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014
Did you read the second article?
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AceLions Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
No but im not too picky about story line as long as origion storys are kept
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dragonpyper Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014
Then you missed the point of the entry...
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AceLions Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok I read it & re read your post. I might still be missing something but the writer of the second post seems like he wants it jsut like the seris. I liked the movies jsut as they are & makeing it an AU Gave the writers all the freedom they want. It's Still star trek but in its own way without damageing the old seris
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dragonpyper Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
It isn't that he wants it to be 'just like the original series'.
He want's to see some integrity in the AU that would make it believable as Star Trek.
For instance, the AU Kirk would have never have risen to command a starship (if he survived that long) and Starfleet would never had handed over the newest, most advanced ship (the Enterprise) in the fleet to him. The AU Spock with his emotional, sometimes violent, outbursts would be more at home in the 'Mirror Universe'.
The near instantaneous 'poof you're there' warp drive. Even with warp drive achieves it still takes time to travel from one system to the other. Earth to Vulcan in less than ten minutes... I don't think so.
At the end of the first AU film the Narada is caught in the black hole caused by the red matter. Even though Nero is responsible for the Death of Kirks father, Kirk offers help and is refused. What does Kirk do. He unloads on his now helpless and doomed opponent. No Starfleet officer would do such a thing, he would withdraw and allow nature to take its course.
It breaks down to the writing. Pine, Quinto and the rest of the cast are good actors, but the writing is substandard.
John D.F. Black, writer and associate producer of the Original Series, said “the primary thing as a science fiction writer, never ask your audience to believe more than one extraordinary thing.”
Gene Roddenberry gave us a vision of humanity that had conquered its demons here at home and now was free to explore the stars. It had morals and ethics with a little good old fashion action/adventure thrown in...
Sadly, though, most Hollywood productions think so little of their audience that they feel that all the need do is throw them lots of flashy special affects, explosions and such and little substance.

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AceLions Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
some people seem to think hollywood is all about flash & bang but i like the stories that alot of movies i like have they are just a bit differint
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dragonpyper Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
Like I said, Hollywood thinks so little of their audience that they give them little or no substance...
We'll just have tom disagree on this.
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